Posts by Nathan Natas

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This Is It?

by Nevuela in

i can't say much out of fear of getting caught, but i overheard a jw i know on the phone with a friend talking about "how close we are to the end.

" yeah, yeah, i know.

we've been on the brink of armageddon for well over a century, but what struck me about this particular instance was what she said next.

This Is It?

by Nevuela in

i can't say much out of fear of getting caught, but i overheard a jw i know on the phone with a friend talking about "how close we are to the end.

" yeah, yeah, i know.

we've been on the brink of armageddon for well over a century, but what struck me about this particular instance was what she said next.

Nathan Natas

days of future passed asked,

"They used to do , what were they called?"

I think the word you are looking for is resolutions, and they had the audacity to claim that these resolutions

("Be it hereby RESOLVED that we like peanut butter...")

were in FULFILLMENT OF END-TIMES PROPHECY!

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This Is It?

by Nevuela in

i can't say much out of fear of getting caught, but i overheard a jw i know on the phone with a friend talking about "how close we are to the end.

" yeah, yeah, i know.

we've been on the brink of armageddon for well over a century, but what struck me about this particular instance was what she said next.

Nathan Natas

THANKS, Snugglebunny, but I DID find it, in less than an hour!

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This Is It?

by Nevuela in

i can't say much out of fear of getting caught, but i overheard a jw i know on the phone with a friend talking about "how close we are to the end.

" yeah, yeah, i know.

we've been on the brink of armageddon for well over a century, but what struck me about this particular instance was what she said next.

So far, the ONLY advantage of getting OLD (I'll be 70 in the summer) is that I can remember things that happened before many of you were born. I hope my memory holds up for a few more years and I prove to be an ancient worthy of your appreciation. Then I will follow my fathers into dust, and the next OLD GUY will have to step up.

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This Is It?

by Nevuela in

i can't say much out of fear of getting caught, but i overheard a jw i know on the phone with a friend talking about "how close we are to the end.

" yeah, yeah, i know.

we've been on the brink of armageddon for well over a century, but what struck me about this particular instance was what she said next.

Nathan Natas

Ah! Here it is! (Page 283)

"Even when something is anticlimactic, at a large convention, it is made to feel, at least in

retrospect, climactic - as, for example, at Yankee Stadium in August, 1950, where the

Witnesses were reminded of the old belief that God’s faithful - Abraham, Joseph, David

- would rise from the dead before the end of the world. This aroused tremendous

expectations, which were heightened by the speaker, F. W. Franz, when he suggested

that among those gathered together were the "Princes of the New Earth."

The spectators were roused to tears by the prevailing excitement, expecting to see these

biblical figures. Some stood up; others rushed to the entrance near the speakers' stand,

where they would have a better view. The speaker quieted the crowd and then compared

the new Jehovah's Witnesses to those of old. In effect, he assured them that they were the

new princes, those who had turned their backs on a world slated for doom and who must

persevere in going forward to build the New Jerusalem.

Forward, indeed. This was, in fact, a denial of a previously cherished and defended

belief, couched so as to make conventioneers feel that something had been added unto,

not taken away from, them. David didn't pop out of the dugout, and Solomon didn't

surface on the speaking stand; but Franz had thrilled his audience nonetheless. (I myself

was irritated - though I applauded as fervently as anyone else; I had a distinct sense of

having been had, and I felt guilt as a consequence. And I wondered how many coronaries

Franz had occasioned by his initial provocative remarks. And from some of the

mutterings I heard as I left the Stadium that night, I I deduced that others were irritated

as well, though not, perhaps, as guilt-stricken as I was for allowing myself to feel vexed.)"

My point is that this happened 68 years ago in 1950. Franz was the Watchtower's "Wizard of OZ," hiding behind his cloak of sanctimony, he uttered bald-faced LIES to gullible true believers.

The Watchtower still LIES to the flock, but today's LIARS don't have the phony gravitas that adorned Franz.

Barbara Grizzuit Harrison is as special to me as RAY Franz (Freddy's nephew) is to many XJWs today. Barb's book came out as I was exiting the WTB&TS, and it gave me the encouragement of knowing I was doing the right thing, even though it was not easy. I had the opportunity to speak with BGH before she died and I thanked her for the help she had given me.

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This Is It?

by Nevuela in

i can't say much out of fear of getting caught, but i overheard a jw i know on the phone with a friend talking about "how close we are to the end.

" yeah, yeah, i know.

we've been on the brink of armageddon for well over a century, but what struck me about this particular instance was what she said next.

Nathan Natas

page 282:

"For those who remain Witnesses for ten, twenty, or thirty years - preoccupation with

Armageddon growing with the passing time - each year provides at least one occasion

for refreshment, one source of sweetness: the communal tenderness that is so lacking in

dreary local congregational meetings is at evidence at large conventions of Jehovah's

Witnesses, and particularly at international conventions."

I'm still looking for the thing I'm looking for...

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This Is It?

by Nevuela in

i can't say much out of fear of getting caught, but i overheard a jw i know on the phone with a friend talking about "how close we are to the end.

" yeah, yeah, i know.

we've been on the brink of armageddon for well over a century, but what struck me about this particular instance was what she said next.

Nathan Natas

I'll be back in a few minutes after I find what I want to show you...

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This Is It?

by Nevuela in

i can't say much out of fear of getting caught, but i overheard a jw i know on the phone with a friend talking about "how close we are to the end.

" yeah, yeah, i know.

we've been on the brink of armageddon for well over a century, but what struck me about this particular instance was what she said next.

Nathan Natas

Let me point you to a free download of

"Visions Of Glory: a History and a Memory of Jehovah's Witnesses" by Barbara Grizzuti Harrison

https://www.watchtowerlies.com/linked/visions_of_glory_a_history_and_a_memory_of_jehovahs_witnesses_barbara_harrison_1978.pdf

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Two witness rule: who cares?

by _Morpheus in

i find people railing against the so called “two witness rule” puzzling.

i think its a complete and total non issue.

for those that protest, argue or advocate for change in that rule, why?

Nathan Natas

_Morpheus expanded,

"A part of my point here as well is that in complaining about the so called two witness rule, the ex jw community is actually validating the orgs right to have a say in this... They dont...I dont care what their rules are. As i have noted a dozen times already, its irrelevant... The allegations belong in the hands of law enforcement, period."

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

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Two witness rule: who cares?

by _Morpheus in

i find people railing against the so called “two witness rule” puzzling.

i think its a complete and total non issue.

for those that protest, argue or advocate for change in that rule, why?

Nathan Natas

Heydog said, in part,

"...once a person is determined to be a child molester (even if they never get disfellowshipped for it), they can NEVER serve in any capacity at the Kingdom Hall."

I'm going to challenge that. In the past the WTB&TS has clearly stated that after a period of time such a brother CAN serve, and that theory has been proven in practice; it has happened.

I left in the mid-late 1970s and I was only an MS and pioneer when I did, so there is a gulf of time and "hands-on experience" between us. I was in the Middle Village, Queens, New York City congregation, and my terminal issue was a serial pedophile we had in our congregation who was one of the "6-month wonders" we had back then prior to Armageddon coming in 1975. Remember that? I hear that today Armageddon is ALMOST as close as it was in 1974! Anyway, I learned of this because one of the Elders on the committee that investigated this ABOMINATION was disgusted that the other elders (they are all dead now) wanted to protect Jehovah's name by doing NOTHING. This Elder and I were close friends and he came to me in anguish over what "justice" he had seen. He was shattered. I shattered too. He stayed, I left.

A while after this, Brother Serial Pedophile decided to marry a sister in another congregation who had two small children (her husband left her when she became a JW). The Elders never felt they ought to go to this sister and warn her about what she was marrying. They were married in a Kingdom Hall.

If I need to, I'l try to find references that support my argument.

Welcome aboard, I hope you stick around, Heydog!